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title: Paul Johnson Breaks Down the State of Healthcare with KTAR
description: Paul Johnson discussed the state of healthcare and drivers to rising costs on the popular Bruce St. James and Pamela Hughes Show.
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# Paul Johnson Breaks Down the State of Healthcare with KTAR

September 27, 2017  By [Redirect Health](https://blog.redirecthealth.com/author/redirect-health)

In light of the latest healthcare legislation, [Redirect Health](http://redirecthealth.com) CEO [Paul Johnson](http://redirecthealth.wpengine.com/staff/paul-johnson/) discussed the state of healthcare and drivers to rising costs on the popular [Bruce St. James and Pamela Hughes Show](http://ktar.com/bruce-st-james-and-pamela-hughes/). He touched on the underlying causes for rates going up, and the fundamentals for achieving the triple aim of healthcare: better outcomes, better experiences, and lower costs.

[Listen here](http://ktar.com/category/podcast_player/?a=335864&sid=1001&n=Bruce+St.+James+and+Pamela+Hughes).

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